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BeaCeeRoss	40. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 8:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:01 AM EDT GO TO THIS SITE... ::::: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/house-exclusive.html#more KAL PENN ASK TO LEAVE THE SHOW HE WILL BE WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE... FOR REAL GO CHECK OUT THE SITE.. IT IS AN INTERVIEW IN WRITTEN FORM ABOUT WHY KUTNER LEFT THE SHOW.. HE WON'T BE BACK.. I AM HAPPY FOR HIM BUT WILL SURELY MISS HIM... I JUST WISH THEY WOULD OF JUST SAID HE WAS GOING TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL RATHER THAN HIM BE KILLED OFF LIKE THAT... :( Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Housesdoppelganger	41. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 8:51 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:51 AM EDT As shocked as I was to see that Kutner is gone, I do think the show needed a through-line that will push every character to a higher level of vulnerability throughout the season, especially House. My concern is that the dynamic of the new cast is still a bit too one-dimensional. Thirteen showed promise in the beginning (and even shared some sexual energy with House), but her presence in the diagnostic segments is becoming flat; she tends to deliver her comments in a defensive monotone, rather than in a medically curious, way. It doesn't seem like the series is committed to Thirteen's character arc; what happened to the drugs and excessive sexual behavior, and why, despite being booted from the medicine trials, does she no longer seem to struggle with any signs of her illness? Taub seems to be taking the helm as a more complex character with subtext, but Kutner was a much-needed character to balance out the group with his humor and genuine love for medicine - he was the risk-taker of the group (gloriously foolish and naive), which kept the show fresh. Dr. Foreman is a an "ice man," which is interesting at times, but also gives him a sense of being in the background unless House really crosses the line. I see some potential prospects for a new cast member. "Biglove" would be interesting, but I think House needs another woman on board. I recall a brief segment in which a young woman discussed a case with House in the hallway. I can't remember the episode, but it was when House was looking to replace Dr. Cameron. The young woman was a rather petite girl with her hair in a ponytail. After a rather successful sparring with House, in which she was enjoying the diagnostic challenges, she finally supported her diagnosis with a comment that with any other diagnosis, there would be no hope. House asked her to submit her resume. I'd like to see him review that resume and consider bringing her aboard. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FOO_08	42. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 9:04 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 9:04 AM EDT From what i understand Kal Penn had to be killed off of this show so he could take a position in the government as a liason. Google the actor. It is a shame tho that he left the show i really liked his character! Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
KharemicKhaos	43. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 9:23 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 9:23 AM EDT OF all the characters that resembled House's deductive abilities, Kutner was a "sweeter" version. I didn't exect the chartacter to last this long, as they didn't nee two people figuring out he touh ones. Now what happens to House as his abilities hav been blunted by age or is there something else. Earleir in the show Cuddy confront Wilson abou aiding House, and WIlson replies' I can't deal with all this, and that too!" Or something to that effect. Was Wilson refering to his brother or is he tracking the reason why House went to see a psychiatrist in the previous episode. I contend that house is in crisis. His abilities are diminishing for sme reason. A sad but great epiode. Kutner will be vindicated by House. Is House's God quest to begion in earnest? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
aueagle02	44. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 10:19 AM EDT Did anyone notice at the end of 5.19 as House got in the elevator that you could see Wilson from House's eyes and his vision was blurred? Also did anyone notice that 5.20 was off color a little bit...a darkers bluish green tint to the whole show? I TiVo every episode and looked to make sure it was not my TV...the episode was set in a darker and bluish setting. Although season two finale did a House holucination episode, I tend to think that bits and pieces of this are not real. I tend to think that something is wrong with house. The teaser for next week has the plot of something going on with Cameron and House again. It seems like something is creeping up on House mentally...like he is having a massive nightmare and we as the viewers are watching it. 5.19 picked up in a hospital thru someone else's eyes and suddenly House was there? There is something bigger picture than is being revealed. House fears losing his abilities, he fears falling in love and being hurt or exposed, he fears losing wilson, he fears dealing with his pain, and he fears making major decisions outside of his medical realm. I feel like he is in some sort of hypnotic state facing his fears on the couch of a shrink somewhere and we are all going to be thrown for a loop. I think the death of Kutner serves as him not being able to solve the puzzle and his inability to cope with life normally. Just a thought...probably not even close to whats going on....but a thought... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HouseRepub	45. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 11:57 AM EDT saw the same thing.....it's a shame to lose a good actor to politics. I hope the ep's can find another comic relief to House's character because the characters of Foreman, Taub and Thirteen are like watching paint dry. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
hydeist	46. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 1:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 1:34 PM EDT "A lot of suicides are sudden, that's what is so shocking to those left behind. I had a close family member who committed suicide (also using a gun), and another who tried several times in various ways, and there were NEVER any signs of ANY problems before it happened. That's the scary part about it, and I believe we may begin to learn the reasons why, later on in the show, as I just wonder if House may pursue it, until he knows exactly why it happened. He was hurting from it, if you looked closely at his face, you could tell. Maybe he has an idea of the internal pain Kutner carried and wasn't showing, as maybe he also feels it. I'm going to miss the character, as he was so nice, and made the show more fun." I agree completely. It's very sad... This episode made me realize just how many people are going through things like this each day- it is a very strong message. I hope that many people will open their eyes and look around them... I'm sorry for your loss. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freckle2	47. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 1:41 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 1:41 PM EDT As shocking as this is. This makes me love House M.D. a little more. They always keep me on my toes! Last weeks esp. My friends and I heard a rumor that someone was going to be killed off and we had stayed up all night trying to figure out who it was. Everyone we picked we had a reason behind it but no one through in Kutners name. He was the only guy my friends and I saw that would stay alive and be with the show for a good portion. I couldn't watch the esp. the night it came out cause I was working but when I left my store, I had over 5 text messages all telling me, 'WHY KUTNER?!' I had no idea what was going home so I rushed home just to watch the esp. And I will say, I NEVER saw this coming. Of all the people I picked, I even said something could happen to Wilson before I picked Kutner and to watch that esp just knocked me back. I hate the fact they took him, first amber now him you writers are evil! But I LOVE how they did it, to explain and leave me to sit after the showing going, 'But why?! What was wrong with him!" to hit a nerve in me so deep, to leave me confused and filled with questions, to find yourself almost turning INTO House, wanting to seek the answer, wanting to know, to understand why but only to be left with nothing. There is never an answer. Sometimes there are never signs. All the esp. I watched with Kutner, I never saw this coming and the realistic of it, makes me love this show a whole lot more. SO KUDOS WRITERS! Kudos cause for the first time in all my TV series watching, You made me cry just like when you took Amber and just like that season. I never saw this coming and I can't wait to see what happens next. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Augusta0719	48. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 2:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 2:02 PM EDT "OMG! I can't believe they killed him off like that... what is the reasoning? No budget? Time to move on? Bad cast? What??" He actually went to work for the White House.... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
krazee198	49. the real reason Kutner was "killed off"... Apr 7 2009, 3:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 3:36 PM EDT Kal Penn CHOSE to leave the show and this was the writers way of making it a public service announcement kind of thing. If you want to see why he left... go here... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/07/actor-kal-penn-joining-the-obama-administration/#more-46860 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxmd	50. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 3:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 3:50 PM EDT I like the idea that House is bent on exploring the issue of HOMICIDE as suicide makes little sense. However, the HOUSE writers are not up on forensics, as much as they should be, when they decided to put in the suicide vs. homicide question. One of the first things forensics would do, (and I am a forensic pathologist) is GSR of the decedents hands (gun shot residue). That would indicate if Kutner had fired the weapon or had his hand in the vicinity of the barrel when the gun was fired. I sure hope genius HOUSE brings this up before the series ends for the year. By the way, I went into forensic medicine becsue I like sick people about as much as House, himself! AMF Kutner. You were not all that interesting a character anyway!!! toxMD Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
krazee198	51. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 3:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 3:52 PM EDT "As shocked as I was to see that Kutner is gone, I do think the show needed a through-line that will push every character to a higher level of vulnerability throughout the season, especially House. My concern is that the dynamic of the new cast is still a bit too one-dimensional. Thirteen showed promise in the beginning (and even shared some sexual energy with House), but her presence in the diagnostic segments is becoming flat; she tends to deliver her comments in a defensive monotone, rather than in a medically curious, way. It doesn't seem like the series is committed to Thirteen's character arc; what happened to the drugs and excessive sexual behavior, and why, despite being booted from the medicine trials, does she no longer seem to struggle with any signs of her illness? Taub seems to be taking the helm as a more complex character with subtext, but Kutner was a much-needed character to balance out the group with his humor and genuine love for medicine - he was the risk-taker of the group (gloriously foolish and naive), which kept the show fresh. Dr. Foreman is a an "ice man," which is interesting at times, but also gives him a sense of being in the background unless House really crosses the line. I see some potential prospects for a new cast member. "Biglove" would be interesting, but I think House needs another woman on board. I recall a brief segment in which a young woman discussed a case with House in the hallway. I can't remember the episode, but it was when House was looking to replace Dr. Cameron. The young woman was a rather petite girl with her hair in a ponytail. After a rather successful sparring with House, in which she was enjoying the diagnostic challenges, she finally supported her diagnosis with a comment that with any other diagnosis, there would be no hope. House asked her to submit her resume. I'd like to see him review that resume and consider bringing her aboard. " She was one of the 40 fellows. Fired. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
gazelle72	52. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 8:19 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:19 PM EDT House is my favorite show on TV. Each week its writers develop plots that brilliantly broach topics involving ethics, morality, human nature, & faith. The show is witty, insightful, intellectually stimulating & entertaining. They rarely disappoint & I don’t usually question their judgment…until last night. I was puzzled by last night show's artistry & the manner Kutner killed himself. At 1st, I thought, “this is a dream”. Their use of muted colors was consistent with that. Then, I thought, “hey, it’s April!” I know that March & April are months in which suicide rates are highest among teens, often times without warning. Great!! Get that info out there! Then just like that, the show ended! Here’s my problem with the Dr. Kutner suicide scenario. - It was TOTALLY out of character with his character! Sometimes, suicides are like that, but not with someone like Kutner who was so responsible. He would have at least left a note. This is a guy who, years after the fact, went out of his way to apologize to someone he demeaned in high school. High School! 2. He left a mess for someone to clean up. People who blow their brains out tell the world, “I want you to clean up my mess”. Kutner’s character didn’t seem the type to want anyone to clean up his mess. He would have chosen a different means. - He was a star on the rise. He was the guy with credible answers. He was witty and composed. He was becoming the “go to” guy and was actually becoming the moral compass of the show, notwithstanding his peeing on House’s chair. The writers of House did it wrong! One of the questions the show did successfully raise, though, was, “how well do we really know the person sitting right next to us each day?” Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gerryb6	53. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 9:03 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 9:03 PM EDT House was right all along. Kutner was murdered. By a very poor script. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AvictoriaP	54. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 10:35 PM EDT i personally think that Kutner was the best new dude, i dont know why i just do! why do you guys think he was taken off? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Theaternut3333	55. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 7 2009, 11:08 PM EDT I was in total shock. Why?? I loved him he was the next Chace. Yeah it was so sudden, at least with Amber we had two whole episode, to "said" good bye to her. With Kutner their were no warning to get us ready. Good Bye Kutner Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Theresa6202	56. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 8 2009, 4:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 4:12 PM EDT To "lori0713" on page 1 of this discussion - That is the sexiest picture I have ever seen of a man in my life and of-course it's Hugh Laurie. Awesome. How could they kill Kutner like that? Lack of imagination and lack of respect for the House actors - dumb writers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Vitamintaker	57. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 8 2009, 8:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:12 PM EDT "OMG! I can't believe they killed him off like that... what is the reasoning? No budget? Time to move on? Bad cast? What??" He wanted to pursue a career in politics, doing something for Obama. I'm not sure of his exact title, something to do with public relations. Suicide was the best idea the writers came up with to get him off the show. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
housemdfanatic	58. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 8 2009, 8:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:53 PM EDT i think kutner was murdered, as does house. it doesn't make sense for him to get shot in the right temple and fall belly down and the gun being on his left side. anyone else notice that? it's as if a murder thought to be a suicide, but the murderer was not so smart. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
GlacierBlue	59. RE: Chat about episode 5.20 Simple Explanation Apr 9 2009, 3:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 11 2009, 4:54 AM EDT Okay. Yeah. I know it's just a TV show, BUT - man. Kutner was by far and away my favorite new character of the latest round. I started crying my eyes out through the entire episode and then into the rest of the night. Talk about some seriously intense writing. And here I thought that the Amber chronicles were sad. Geeze. Can't post this without a HUGE acting shout out to 13. Goes walking into Kutner's apartment all amused with his bachelor pad - sees him - reaction - slumps down to the floor - "He's cold." Chills Spread Over Every Nerve Impulse In My Body I could however do without the allusion on the Kutner Memorial Page about M.A.S.H. I think that was completely unnecessary and sort of cheapened the story. "Suicide Is Painless" theme song? SIGH Okay. Enough mourning of a TV show character for this week. I just hope House is right and that there is more than a simple explanation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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